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    Default Landlocked Countries and Alternate Realities

    I know i had a discussion about this earlier, put i just wanted to putthis to a wider 'audience' because it'a still fascinating me.

    In the comments, many people remember Germany being landlocked.
    Mandela Effect: Here Is How Germany Was Landlocked On Sagittarius! - YouTube

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    As I said before, I will go as far as saying that maybe they have come from alternative (note "alternative", not "alternate" - I wish they'd get that right, but see * below) timelines and have somehow come into this one, which would explain there being no maps or evidence of these things in this timeline. I, however, have always been in this timeline, so I can remember the countries always being as they are now. You have to have sympathy for the poor dears, I guess, as it must be very disorientating for them.

    As you will probably be aware I don't normally have any truck with this sort of stuff, but for the sake of "open-mindedness" I am willing to say that the above "may" be possible (as anything might). But I'm not giving up MY reality in the process. If they want their reality they can have it, but at least leave me mine in the process. I need it. If they are as open-minded as they want me to be, then they should have no problem with that.

    P. S. Is there none of this stuff that I can just read? I don't want to watch any videos.

    *P. P. S. I see they say that incorrect spelling, such as "alternate" instead of "alternative" may be due to to the fact that the "wrong" spelling was actually right in their timeline. Hmmmm.

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    This is a good article on the subject:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mandela_effect

    I particularly like this bit:

    The idea of the Mandela effect is mostly pushed by people who (think that) if they remember anything differently from others then the world must be wrong, not their memory. It's apparently easier to believe that multiple parallel realities have imploded into each other than to simply admit they made a trivial and entirely unimportant mistake.


    And this part says what I believe is the case:

    The flawed nature of human memory is well-documented in research. Cognitive science professor Elizabeth Loftus has been able to plant false memories with ease,[9] and research has shown that eyewitness reports can be manipulated.[10] Application of Occam's razor suggests that the fallibility of memory is the much more likely explanation.

    Some Mandela effect claims are quite easily explained as cultural memory, propagated by the same memetic processes of repetition and peer reinforcement that underlie virtually any documentably common misquote or spelling error.
    After all, most people I know don't have much real idea about geography. That's not a criticism - I just happen to be very good at geography because I always had my nose in an atlas of one sort or another as a kid, and I still love maps. So the idea that these people all "think" that the world was different in their memory is a bit strange because they are so vague about it. If they were more specific then I could believe that they at least had some geographical knowledge in the first place, but in fact I don't think they do. So their false memories are pretty much down to a general lack of knowledge about geography. I can't prove this of course, but neither can they prove otherwise, and the vast weight of evidence is to the former.

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    To be fair though, even I have had false memories of this nature. I can't recall any specifics but I have sometimes had a memory of, say, a line in a film and sworn blind that it was such and such, and OH has said no it's something else. And I have stuck to it and said no I'm right and then when we've watched it it turns out I was wring and she was right. Now I'm not claiming that I was actually right and it has changed for some reason, but I always wonder why I remembered it in that way and was so sure it was right. It's a strange phenomenon, but I think it shows that it is quite normal for the memory to play tricks on you sometimes. I don't think memory can be fully relied on in many cases.

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    I suppose it can be explained that way, like it's an easy mistake to make.

    Also, a question, how did Bruce Lee die? being shot or accidental overdose? cos in my Mind, always thought he got shot making a movie. But i could be mistaking that for his son, Brandon who got shot making the movie The Crow.

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    I tried to read, but are those people not just a little bit nuts? I didn't have a clue what I was reading, I felt totally out of my depth on an intelligence level, sorta like when my son talks to me about the world and stuff. He knows everything there is to know about geography and languages, it fascinates him, I don't know anyone more knowledgeable. I thought I'd read and then ask him when he gets back from University, but reading further it doesn't seem it's anything to do with geography, more to do with nutty people? I googled Sagittarius and other things to try to understand what was being said, I got really confused and the search somehow even led me to google octopus porn before I stopped.

    A core rule in some parts of the Mandela Effect community is that you're not allowed to correct someone, even if their "Mandela effect" is a straightforward, easily explained error: you must support their conviction that alternate universes have collided and they've been stranded in the wrong reality.
    I can see Earl having a field day with that rule if he got onto a forum with people like that years ago. That means that nobody can question what you're saying, no matter how ridiculous, so somewhere down the line that ridiculous thing that someone said would now be in your head. You might not remember where it came from, so there's the possibility of you mistaking it as your own thought, therefore your own reality.

    Have I understood it? It's more to do with people thinking differently, so like a conspiracy theory, than Germany actually being land locked at one time?

    When I look at a map I think places have moved. It was only a couple of months ago that I was shocked when I saw where Portugal was, I had no clue. It was as if someone had picked it up from somewhere else, maybe detached and more in the sea below Spain, then just stuck it on the side of Spain overnight. I know that's my lack of knowledge because I've never had an interest in Portugal or where it was, but I was suprised because I could've sworn it wasn't there before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_B View Post
    I tried to read, but are those people not just a little bit nuts? I didn't have a clue what I was reading, I felt totally out of my depth on an intelligence level, sorta like when my son talks to me about the world and stuff. He knows everything there is to know about geography and languages, it fascinates him, I don't know anyone more knowledgeable. I thought I'd read and then ask him when he gets back from University, but reading further it doesn't seem it's anything to do with geography, more to do with nutty people? I googled Sagittarius and other things to try to understand what was being said, I got really confused and the search somehow even led me to google octopus porn before I stopped.



    I can see Earl having a field day with that rule if he got onto a forum with people like that years ago. That means that nobody can question what you're saying, no matter how ridiculous, so somewhere down the line that ridiculous thing that someone said would now be in your head. You might not remember where it came from, so there's the possibility of you mistaking it as your own thought, therefore your own reality.

    Have I understood it? It's more to do with people thinking differently, so like a conspiracy theory, than Germany actually being land locked at one time?

    When I look at a map I think places have moved. It was only a couple of months ago that I was shocked when I saw where Portugal was, I had no clue. It was as if someone had picked it up from somewhere else, maybe detached and more in the sea below Spain, then just stuck it on the side of Spain overnight. I know that's my lack of knowledge because I've never had an interest in Portugal or where it was, but I was suprised because I could've sworn it wasn't there before.
    Yeah, I'd say that was about right. As I say, most people don't know about geography, it's just one of things that doesn't impact on people's daily lives, especially nowadays with sat nav and stuff so people don't even have to look at a map any more. And as I say that's not a criticism of people's intelligence, it's just a fact, whereas I am a geek about it with probably an obsessive interest in it. So I could probably draw a pretty good freehand map of Europe with the countries in the right places whilst most people probably couldn't.

    I actually had a colleague years ago when I worked in insurance and for the holiday insurance we had a map that showed what counted as Europe for cover purposes (it covered areas outside Europe like Morocco). The only problem with the map was that there was no differentiation between the sea and the land, both were coloured white, with black lines for borders and the coast. She said she didn't like it because she didn't know what was the sea and what was the land. So I coloured in the sea in blue to help her, but it shows how some maps can be totally confusing to people because they don't have that knowledge, and unless you go and look at a map them you're not going to know.

    I'd love to have some of these folk draw a map of what they "remember" it to look like, not to pick holes in it but to see what their impression is. It would be interesting to see, but of course they won't do it because by asking them to do it you are questioning them and as you say you are not supposed to do that. This is why the "open-minded" thing is annoying because they are anything but open-minded about it. Same with the moon hoax stuff and all the other conspiracy theories, because yes, that's what it's about really I think.

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    Oh, and the other thing I'd like to know is if Germany was landlocked then what country occupied the coast that is now in Germany? So, what country were places like Hamburg, Cuxhaven, Bremen, Kiel, Lübeck and Rostock in? I wonder what they would say.

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    I think you're spot on, it's not that people are unintelligent, but if you have no need or interest in geography, or other things, you just make assumptions and think you know. I'm a bit clued up, just because of where I live, so I look at maps all the time to see where I am in the world, where's safe, where's not safe and where I want to go. Until I have an interest in a place, I won't remember it clearly though. Like on Thursday we're flying into Slovakia. Until I booked a flight there, I had no clue where exactly is was, or how big, although I had a rough idea where it was.

    Off topic, but you might know something that I'm always curious about Timey. When people used to go on holiday abroad years ago when I was young, they'd just say Spain, or at a push maybe a Costa, like Costa Brava, never the actual place. I don't think they even knew to be honest, but back then I was clueless as well and just thought those were holiday places, like Scarborough etc. I think they probably went to one area of maybe Costa Brava, but the holiday brochures never used to specify where exactly you'd booked to go. Tuscany was a good one, people used to just say Tuscany, nothing more, so I thought that was a country in it's own right and totally forgot about it being a holiday destination. It wasn't until we traveled through Italy years ago that I first saw signs for entering Tuscany and remembered people saying they went on holiday there, I had no clue at the time that was even Italy.

    What I'm curious about though is the people who said they're going to Yugoslavia, I remember the photos of it in brochures. I'm assuming once it split up the place they actually holidayed would be Croatia now? With you being interested in geography and more likely to know the town more than just the region, you might know where they'd have most likely have gone. Do you know where in Croatia that would've been? I doubt the whole coast was set up for tourists, so it would've been one area maybe. I can't work it out, but it's something that bugs me slightly now I'm a bit more knowledgeable about the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_B View Post
    I think you're spot on, it's not that people are unintelligent, but if you have no need or interest in geography, or other things, you just make assumptions and think you know. I'm a bit clued up, just because of where I live, so I look at maps all the time to see where I am in the world, where's safe, where's not safe and where I want to go. Until I have an interest in a place, I won't remember it clearly though. Like on Thursday we're flying into Slovakia. Until I booked a flight there, I had no clue where exactly is was, or how big, although I had a rough idea where it was.

    Off topic, but you might know something that I'm always curious about Timey. When people used to go on holiday abroad years ago when I was young, they'd just say Spain, or at a push maybe a Costa, like Costa Brava, never the actual place. I don't think they even knew to be honest, but back then I was clueless as well and just thought those were holiday places, like Scarborough etc. I think they probably went to one area of maybe Costa Brava, but the holiday brochures never used to specify where exactly you'd booked to go. Tuscany was a good one, people used to just say Tuscany, nothing more, so I thought that was a country in it's own right and totally forgot about it being a holiday destination. It wasn't until we traveled through Italy years ago that I first saw signs for entering Tuscany and remembered people saying they went on holiday there, I had no clue at the time that was even Italy.

    What I'm curious about though is the people who said they're going to Yugoslavia, I remember the photos of it in brochures. I'm assuming once it split up the place they actually holidayed would be Croatia now? With you being interested in geography and more likely to know the town more than just the region, you might know where they'd have most likely have gone. Do you know where in Croatia that would've been? I doubt the whole coast was set up for tourists, so it would've been one area maybe. I can't work it out, but it's something that bugs me slightly now I'm a bit more knowledgeable about the world.
    Yes, in fact, when they mentioned Yugoslavia it could have been Croatia or Slovenia, or at a push, Montenegro. The main place would be Dubrovnik and the Dalmatian Coast (yes, what the dogs are named after ), which are in Croatia. But there's also the Istrian Peninsula as well, just along from Venice actually, which is split between Croatia and Slovenia. There's a resort called Pula, I think, and off-hand I can't remember if it's in Croatia or Slovenia - Croatia I think, but I could be wrong. But yes, most of the tourist places are in Croatia, mainly Dubrovnik but as I say there are other tourist spots all along the coast so just saying Croatia would not be specific enough.

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