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Ck
17-08-2006, 23:27
Kids under 12 and under 4' 5" will have to, by law, use a booster seat from September.

What do you think?

A_B
18-08-2006, 00:26
...under 12! :eek:

There's not a chance of my son going back to sitting in a booster seat - he hated it.

sixaparrat
18-08-2006, 08:42
Kids shouldn't be in the passenger area of the car.

They belong in a soundproof box in the boot:)

Ck
18-08-2006, 10:18
They reckon, and it is true, that an adult seatbelt on a kid goes into the neck rather than across the shoulder. So, if they were to have an accident the belt isn't restraining the strongest part of the body, which is the shoulders and the pelvis.

I had a car, it was either an Astra or an Escort that had adjustable heights for the seatbelts which rectified that. I feel they should make that as standard in all cars then there'd be no need to be messing about with booster seats.

A_B
18-08-2006, 12:45
They reckon, and it is true, that an adult seatbelt on a kid goes into the neck rather than across the shoulder. So, if they were to have an accident the belt isn't restraining the strongest part of the body, which is the shoulders and the pelvis.

I had a car, it was either an Astra or an Escort that had adjustable heights for the seatbelts which rectified that. I feel they should make that as standard in all cars then there'd be no need to be messing about with booster seats.

Yeah - most of our cars have had them. I wouldn't want my son raising up anymore than he is now - I'd have to clean his side of the window too often - it's bad enough when my dad comes - we have to wipe greasy nose prints off the window when hes gone :D

Victor29
18-08-2006, 14:22
Seatbelts always rub right across my neck as I am only 5'3". I swear if there was a sudden jolt I would be decapitated!
I usually put the cross part under my right arm when driving instead of over my shoulder.

Earl
18-08-2006, 15:59
Just drive safetly.

SFB
19-08-2006, 12:03
Just drive safetly.And hope everyone else does?!

Earl
19-08-2006, 14:54
If you keep your distance from everyone else on the road, as you're supposed to, the chances of being involved in a collision are vastly reduced.

The Highway Code isn't just for fun you know.

SFB
19-08-2006, 16:33
If you keep your distance from everyone else on the road, as you're supposed to, the chances of being involved in a collision are vastly reduced.

The Highway Code isn't just for fun you know.I really love your totally individual outlook on life.
You can be parked FFS and some wally will drive into your car, bike, bus, truck and cause you bodily harm! And it matters not how safely you park either!!
I won't go into specifics, but if you want me to, just ask.:rolleyes:

Victor29
19-08-2006, 20:08
Mr M* did say the chances of being involved in a collision would be greatly reduced. Safe distances do make sense and of course if some fool mounts the pavement you can be mown down even if you're not driving. Don't be so picky SFB, you know what he's saying.

Earl
20-08-2006, 02:12
I really love your totally individual outlook on life.
You can be parked FFS and some wally will drive into your car, bike, bus, truck and cause you bodily harm! And it matters not how safely you park either!!
I won't go into specifics, but if you want me to, just ask.:rolleyes:

What are the odds? And how you parked can make a difference, double yellow lines often indicate where it is unsafe to park but people still ignore them. Always have the handbrake on whilst parked and point your wheels towards the kerb. Best not to sit in a parked car at all, especially on the hard shoulder or next to a busy road.

I'm not sure about you, but I don't even wear a seat belt whilst parked.

If you have your wits about you and comply with the Highway Code you should be perfectly safe. If everyone had this attitude road deaths would be a perfect zero, sheer arrogance is the cause of road deaths. People seem to think they are above the law when it comes to driving, nevermind paedophiles and rapists I'd cut the bollocks off repeat traffic offenders. There's simply no need for it, fucking numpties, makes my fucking piss boil!

SFB
20-08-2006, 11:00
What are the odds? And how you parked can make a difference, double yellow lines often indicate where it is unsafe to park but people still ignore them. Always have the handbrake on whilst parked and point your wheels towards the kerb. Best not to sit in a parked car at all, especially on the hard shoulder or next to a busy road.

I'm not sure about you, but I don't even wear a seat belt whilst parked.

If you have your wits about you and comply with the Highway Code you should be perfectly safe. If everyone had this attitude road deaths would be a perfect zero, sheer arrogance is the cause of road deaths. People seem to think they are above the law when it comes to driving, nevermind paedophiles and rapists I'd cut the bollocks off repeat traffic offenders. There's simply no need for it, fucking numpties, makes my fucking piss boil!Too many ifs there M!

I passed my Motor bike test in 58, driving test in 60, PSV in 67 and I'm still driving. I've driven London buses, trucks, minicabs, have been a chauffeur, dispatch rider. I've driven coast to coast of the US and the length of Europe.
Had lots of accidents along the way and learned a few lessons. All I really learned is that I'm not fireproof and no matter how safely you behave, some stupid sod is going to do something silly sooner or later, or you yourself will eventually have a lapse in concentration.
If only life was as cut and dried as you believe, the world would be perfect.

NB Keep the car in gear whilst parked as well, don't rely on the handbrake alone.

Earl
20-08-2006, 11:26
Too many ifs there M!

I passed my Motor bike test in 58, driving test in 60, PSV in 67 and I'm still driving. I've driven London buses, trucks, minicabs, have been a chauffeur, dispatch rider. I've driven coast to coast of the US and the length of Europe.
Had lots of accidents along the way and learned a few lessons. All I really learned is that I'm not fireproof and no matter how safely you behave, some stupid sod is going to do something silly sooner or later, or you yourself will eventually have a lapse in concentration.
If only life was as cut and dried as you believe, the world would be perfect.

NB Keep the car in gear whilst parked as well, don't rely on the handbrake alone.
Good point, I do that too.

My ifs were the point. No one fucking drives properly, if they did there'd be no need for seatbelts. People complain and piss and moan about road safety but all they need do is change their own driving habits, or have them forcibly changed. People should drive more safetly, not take extra precautions for what they believe is an inevitable accident. It's not inevitable.

SFB
20-08-2006, 11:40
Statistics prove otherwise and a life on the road where no real changes have been made to enhance safety, mainly because of the nut at the wheel, not the wheel nut.

Earl
20-08-2006, 11:48
Nothing is inevitable, except death and taxes I think the saying goes.

Why side step the real issue behind road safety to enforce correct safety equipment? It's not logical. If you see a child playing with fireworks you don't hand it gloves and goggles, you stop the dangerous behaviour.

If people can't abide by a set of rules designed to make road use safe, they should be prevented from using the roads. It's as simple as that.

Safety belt or not, if some wanker runs into me I could still be killed or seriously injured. I take all precautions so as not to rely on a seat belt. If everyone did the same there'd be no need for them. the need arrises from arrogant arsecandles doing as they please on my roads. :mad:

SFB
20-08-2006, 11:55
Nothing is inevitable, except death and taxes I think the saying goes.

Why side step the real issue behind road safety to enforce correct safety equipment? It's not logical. If you see a child playing with fireworks you don't hand it gloves and goggles, you stop the dangerous behaviour.

If people can't abide by a set of rules designed to make road use safe, they should be prevented from using the roads. It's as simple as that.

Safety belt or not, if some wanker runs into me I could still be killed or seriously injured. I take all precautions so as not to rely on a seat belt. If everyone did the same there'd be no need for them. the need arrises from arrogant arsecandles doing as they please on my roads. :mad:I'm not getting into fireworks, but here the kids learn how to handle them dangerously and if they get hurt so be it.

This forum nor any other will make roads safe, they weren't safe in the days of horses and carts FFS, it's as simple as that!
Man on the move causes danger.
Life is the most dangerous thing we have to contend with.

Earl
20-08-2006, 11:59
This forum won't, but The Highway Code would. If it was properly followed or enforced.

If it was a case of "play with fire and get burnt" I wouldn't mind, but when you fuck around on the roads you endanger other lives than just your own.

SFB
20-08-2006, 12:04
Dreamer.

Earl
20-08-2006, 12:09
If The Highway Code were followed correctly by everyone there would be no deaths on the road. That's not a dream, that's a fact.

If I said one day that would happen, that would be a dream. I've not made any claims of the future, I've simply stated what is the correct way to prevent road deaths. What you choose to do with this information is up to you. Probably ignore it?

Ignorance is the enemy.

SFB
20-08-2006, 12:13
If The Highway Code were followed correctly by everyone there would be no deaths on the road. That's not a dream, that's a fact.

If I said one day that would happen, that would be a dream. I've not made any claims of the future, I've simply stated what is the correct way to prevent road deaths. What you choose to do with this information is up to you. Probably ignore it?

Ignorance is the enemy.Back to the biggest word in the English language again. But at least you got round to mentioning ignorance at last.
There ain't no cure for the summertime blues.

Earl
20-08-2006, 12:26
I've told you I was putting forward a possible scenario. I never claimed anyone would follow this way of thinking. They're a bunch of fuckwits.

SFB
20-08-2006, 16:27
I've told you I was putting forward a possible scenario. I never claimed anyone would follow this way of thinking. They're a bunch of fuckwits.Nearly M, what you forgot to mention is that we all fall into the same category.:D

Earl
20-08-2006, 16:31
The Highway Code is my Bible, I don't fall into their catagory.

SFB
20-08-2006, 16:37
The Highway Code is my Bible, I don't fall into their catagory.The Highway Code has never been infallible, it's been changed more often that your underwear!
I'm not sure if that's a compliment to you, the Highway Code or what.:D

Earl
20-08-2006, 16:41
It needs to adjust to new developments in roads and vehicles.

Trust me, if it's followed to the letter there's no room for upsets. I can guarantee you that all road accidents could be avoided if the Code was followed. It's really that simple. If people changed their attitudes instead of having negative ones the problem would be solved.

SFB
20-08-2006, 16:50
You're still dreaming of Nirvana FFS. Forget it, climb back down to earth and accept that nothing you ever think will ever be applied.


Sadly.

Earl
20-08-2006, 16:56
It's not a dream, it's the truth!

Just because it will never come to fruition doesn't make it any less true.
My point is 'don't piss and moan about road deaths, you've only yourself to blame'.

Stick to the Highway Code and you'll be fine.

SFB
20-08-2006, 17:09
It's not a dream, it's the truth!

Just because it will never come to fruition doesn't make it any less true.
My point is 'don't piss and moan about road deaths, you've only yourself to blame'.

Stick to the Highway Code and you'll be fine.Why do you find the need to get personal with the YOU bit? I've never killed anyone, yet. Nearly, just not yet!

Earl
20-08-2006, 17:14
"You" refers to any person in general. If it was personal I'd have said "you've only yourself to blame, Dad" :D

SFB
20-08-2006, 17:19
As I keep repeating son, if you're lucky or unlucky enough to live as long as I have you may end up being the fount of knowledge. But just as I am not, neither will you be.

Earl
20-08-2006, 17:20
You make too many assumptions about other people based on your own experience. Dad.

SFB
20-08-2006, 17:35
You make too many assumptions about other people based on your own experience. Dad.Not entirely based on my own knowledge son, also based on the knowledge gleaned over the years from the media and other sources that end up the same. GWB is an arsehole, as is Blair and a few others. This leads me to believe that the human race is still in it's infancy along with you and me.
Stick that in your pipe, puff on it for a few years and then reply.

Earl
20-08-2006, 17:39
Your excessive experince has led you to conclude that the World Leaders are arseholes?

I'm not impressed. People have been saying that for years, and about every leader in history. My experience leads me to believe you're wrong. You may have a lovely wife and home, but GWB is the most powerful man on the planet. Not bad for an arsehole. ;)

SFB
20-08-2006, 17:52
Your excessive experince has led you to conclude that the World Leaders are arseholes?

I'm not impressed. People have been saying that for years, and about every leader in history. My experience leads me to believe you're wrong. You may have a lovely wife and home, but GWB is the most powerful man on the planet. Not bad for an arsehole. ;)That's a rumour, I know of a lot more men who are much stronger than him.:D
He's a puppet, the real US power is it's business of arms production. The really powerful men and women are never seen or heard of.
You really have a lot to learn my son.:(

Earl
20-08-2006, 18:11
No, I do actually believe that myself. But in that case, what difference does it make what kind of an arsehole he is?

SFB
20-08-2006, 18:17
Apparently not a lot. But that's something else to realise, you never have any control, just as Dubya doesn't.
He may be able to start wars and kill people, but at the lower end of the scale, any one of us can do that if the fancy takes us. The only difference is that he'll never stand trial for it.

Earl
20-08-2006, 18:20
You can get a pretty good Empire and still stay off their RADAR though.

SFB
20-08-2006, 18:32
Tell me more.
Not that I ever fancied an empire myself, too much hassle.

Earl
20-08-2006, 18:40
You're only any use to the US if you have something they want. There's plenty of places around the globe who they take no interest in.

SFB
20-08-2006, 18:51
Do you have something they want?

Earl
20-08-2006, 19:16
I hope not.

Victor29
20-08-2006, 20:22
Wow, I love this father and son head to head!

Ck
20-08-2006, 20:34
I think they're too much alike.

SFB
21-08-2006, 09:02
I think they're too much alike.Don't blame me, blame the gene pool for getting too shallow.:D

Earl
21-08-2006, 14:36
Well you are the one responsible for spreading your genes so far and wide! ;)